a comment worth reading
Coolfer notes Pitchfork's review of Diamond Nights
this, from the comments section, is spot-on:
the indie scene and the insufferable element it fosters has always existed to validate egos that were tarnished by the more "popular" elements of high school. Maybe Sonic Youth loved and loves Sabbath but in the beginning (and now, to a large degree) they still self-identify with indie, not the mainstream. The most active, vocal supporters of indie have ALWAYS looked down at bands that attracted any sort of frat attention, and immediately cry "sellout" the second that an indie band crosses over from obscurity to the mainstream (R.E.M., Nirvana, Pumpkins, etc.) It's the indie losers who are the credibility police, not Joe Six-Pack.
It's also this breed of indie-centric buttholes who make an exception for mainstream hip-hop, which, in case you don't know, is full-on frat party music and has been since the Beastie Boys in 1986. Whether it's fear of being branded a racist or something altogether different, your average indie record store clerk will be happy to profess love for Kanye, 50 Cent, etc. despite the massive marketing effort and total rockstar sellout nature of hip hop. Because, you know, you gotta stay hip with the kids, even if the misogynist overtones are loud and clear, as long as it isn't Limp Bizkit.
And if we need any further proof of the truth in all this, look at the disdain that the indie community has for modern country music: unless Nashville comes out with something novel like an African American rapping on a mainstream country song (note the notice Big & Rich and Cowboy Troy seem to get in indie circles), it's cast aside as something basically irrelevant.
There's no such thing as a big open tent in the indie community, there never has been, and it's been purposeful. That's because "different" always equals "somehow better" to these people. It is an insular culture that absolutely fosters exclusion in an attempt to keep the jockos far, far away. Without this perverse attitude, people wouldn't have to worry about having "guilty pleasures". They'd just listen to what they liked.








